Introduction to Educator Burnout

Welcome back to the Drug Prevention Power Hour. I’m your host, Jake White. And today we’re hanging out with Phil Janizewski. He taught me a fun way to remember how to say it. And I’m going to give, Phil, I’m going to give a little intro for you. And then we’re going to kick off our conversation because Phil is an incredible human being working with public health, working with educators all across the nation to avoid burnout and to make sure that we bring our best selves to the workplace. So check this out. This is Phil Januszewski. He’s a tattoo covered, Netflix baking show flapping, high energy, chemistry, physics teaching, keynote speaker that is on a mission to create and spread happiness through education, motivation, and entertainment. He empowers the givers in the world to completely flourish in their personal lives first in order to ignite passion and purpose in their professional lives as well. This is awesome. Speaking since 2013, Educator since 2005. Dang, he got a master’s in teaching leadership ⁓ and positive education. Dang. All right, I love this. He enjoys everyday adventures with his wife and two children and pursuing his personal passions of fitness, baking, networking, and personal development.

If you ever meet Phil, be prepared for a great deal of positive energy, love, and passion. Boom, there it is. Welcome to the show, Phil.

Man, that was a mouthful. Thanks for going through that, brother. It’s a pleasure and privilege to be here with you.

Yeah, dude, I can say from the first time we met that that bio is spot on because I forget who connected with us to each other. a couple years back, I got on the phone with Phil instantly with like, I want to be best friends with you. You are all the energy I need and just a very generous person. Like I think when I met you, I inherently met 100 new, incredible people like at the same time, because you made that happen. ⁓ So Phil.

Today we are talking about your expertise matched with this field of substance use prevention, which includes educators, public health workers, people who are running nonprofits. And so if I could just start us off with Phil, kind of tell us a little bit about you and what you offer and how you help professionals like us.

Thanks so much Jake listen the world of public health and education is a world of complete giving and It is a worthy cause it is an important mission It is one that we cannot give up on but I think you and I both know we meet amazing people every day through our jobs and We see that some of them are really struggling really barely hanging on and that’s because of the world of the unknown We know that we don’t know if funding is coming through from good governments. We don’t know if the people we live close to appreciate or even value what we do for a living or support us. So all of these unknowns mixed in with our own personal lives can create a pretty chaotic mess of, do I matter? Am I making a difference? Is this worth doing even though there’s so much uphill battles? And I feel that’s where I come in. So as an educator, chem and physics since 2005, I’ve been speaking to not only youth, but interacting in the education world.

Also in 2013, I became a youth speaker with my best friend, Matt. We started meeting people in the world of prevention, public health and education as well. And it’s the same thing. So many great humans, but man, they need a lot of love because the odds are stacked against them. And over the years, I started thinking about what is it about me that comes showing up with energy, this zest for life, this impact I can have on a room and others. And that even though there’s things that are constantly thrown my way that are challenges. How do I continue to persist and be resilient and do a job that I feel like I’m proud of, that I’m in control of, and that I can keep doing? It was that when I started digging into myself and I started looking into positive psychology that I realized that I just happen to be lucky in the way I live my life, but there are solid things based on science and research and the things that I’ve done and lived myself that have allowed me to continue to be passionate purposeful and show up happy and positive, even though the world is a little ⁓ rocky always and especially right now. I started saying I need to try to help as many adults as possible. And here we are. Our paths have crossed back and forth throughout history in the last 10 years or so, brother. And now I’m here and I’m hoping and excited to lift up some great givers in the world.

Yeah. And you know what? I see, I see your platform and where you are in front of lot of educators. And I just want to say like kudos and I’m, I’m glad to know you because there’s, there’s something that happens when you’re, you’re developing content, you’re developing motivation and inspiration and doing research to help people that are honestly, most people do it to help the person they once were. You’re doing it to help the person that you are right now and once were. So like, you’re the most current resource for people in the education space because you are doing curriculum just like they are. You’re having students, ⁓ same challenges that they are every single day, same schedule. So you get it. And I think that’s so cool and it’s so rare. So from your perspective right now, let’s talk, I mean, let’s talk education because that’s what you’re immersed in.

Can you kind of rapid fire what are the stressors of being an educator or working with youth in public health or things like that that you think are leading to things like burnout and high turnover rate?

Understanding the Stressors in Education

Yeah, I think that everyone shows up to work, especially in education and public health, with a mission in mind that we’re here to help youth or the greater good. But every day when you show up, you show up to a bunch of different humans that are going through a lot of different experiences. So I think teachers find that classroom management can be often very difficult. I think that teachers and educators often find that working with parents is very tricky because many parents are barely hanging on and struggling as well. I think that when you show up to work and you’re an educator, you’re kind of caught in the middle. There’s parents on one side, there’s administrators on the other. There’s also above my awesome leaders, a school board that’s telling others exactly what they want. So there can be a lot of conflicts of interest accidentally at times and a lot of miscommunication. So when you wrap all that up and you put 30 humans into a classroom, and you’re trying to teach them the curriculum that they often don’t want to hear right now and mix in all those other personal things going on. And I didn’t even talk about what maybe an educator is going through personally. It all of a sudden becomes a recipe, a huge blender of emotions. And it takes resilience, a certain mindset and perspective to continuously push through that without slowly. I like to say death by paper cuts. It’s like slowly, if you let it get you all these little challenges, if you aren’t set up for success, can really take a toll on you. Most quickly, I think, is you can become cynical and jaded with the system. And then that’s hard to show up to work when you don’t fully believe in it anymore. And then lastly, and just as bad, is when you become burned out and slowly start to quit without really quitting, like just saying, this is out of my control, I’m going to do the bare minimum. And I think we all know our future, our children, our communities need more than that.

So what can we do to help those important adults, those givers in our lives, keep showing up and doing the amazing work that we need them to do and that they really want to do?

Yeah. And that was kind of best case scenario you pointed as like, if I’m an educator with the best intentionalities, I’ve gone there, but these are all the pieces that could go wrong. And it shows the teamwork that’s required when you’re in an organization. That’s like, if one puzzle piece is out of alignment, it makes it harder for everybody else. And it makes me really grateful for when you go, you see these school districts with administrators who are all about taking care of their teachers and their teachers who are all about taking care of their students and their students are all about taking care of their peers and it’s infectious and it’s good. But then you have one little cog that’s out of place that honestly is just like one little, yeah, one little thing that’s out of place where one person says, well, I’m not really here for that. I’m here for me or for something else. Or maybe they’re just in the wrong profession, right? Like it’s not their skill set.

And it’s harder for everyone else to compensate because they’re like, well, I relied on you for this and now I don’t have what I need. And I think specifically for nonprofits and educators, there’s this because we’re mission-minded individuals that we would throw ourselves in front of the bus for these kids to see, to not have the support can feel different, like whether that’s just the basic support to do our jobs, can feel like the odds are stacked against us. But then the emotional support, like you mentioned. But then I also think there’s the personal support, which maybe is something that you can enlighten us on, which is this mindset that I have to save everyone know a lot of my peers, myself included, think I can always do more. There’s got to be more. I could never stop working my whole life and I still wouldn’t be done. And there’s this thought, this weight. And I think there’s this, we almost need permission to say, you don’t need to carry that weight. It’s not on you. You’re supposed to do this. And as long as you do this, that’s okay. I don’t know how to say that eloquently, but that’s what I know what you’re saying. There’s this narrative of being a martyr. Like this is a just cause and that if you have to die on the field for it, that’s what you’re expected to do. Now I do deep down in my heart believe that no one is saying that, but that doesn’t mean that teachers, public health workers start feeling that way, that it’s up to me and solely me. And because of that, we get in this cycle of giving, giving, giving before we give to ourselves. And as you know, right, the common saying, right, you can’t pour from an empty pitcher, you’re no good to the world, you’re no good to anyone. If you can’t at least be good to yourself, if you’re not showing up your best self, then you can’t really do the mission you set out to accomplish. So yes, we definitely have to deconstruct that, that it’s almost like an ego thing, like that I am a martyr that I will give my all for the greater good. But really, that doesn’t work. And that that’s not, that’s not lasting, that can’t last forever. If you want a long career that’s impossible. So that’s what I try to do. I’m trying to break that stigma and that narrative but also empower educators, public health workers to empower themselves first. We can’t always control our leaders. We can’t always control the community point of view of what we do. But we can control the way we show up to our lives and that can allow us to be more resilient, more patient, more understanding of people’s perspectives even if we don’t agree with it. We can at least hear them take it and flush it and that that takes a lot of energy and that takes a lot of intention. But that’s what I love to do. I love to help those awesome humans like rewrite the script so that I can show up ready to crush anything that comes my way. That’s a beautiful thing.

Yeah, absolutely. And I’m really interested in your solutions because I think as an organization, if you’re listening to this podcast, you’re part of one or you’re the leader of one. And a lot of them are leading these organizations. They want to help prevent burnout, not only for themselves, but for their teams. So what is it that you teach professionals on how to avoid this and like, what should we be doing?

Yeah, you know, it’s funny because when we lay it down, there’s nothing earth shattering ever is there. It’s like things we’ve been told by our parents when we were little or by our PE teachers in kindergarten, right? It’s those things that it’s like, man, if I would have just listened that many years ago. But but my three things that I feel like allow people to elevate their game as far as being more excited about their own lives so that they can give even more to their professional lives is number one, lean into your errors.

So figure out the errors in your life that you are that light you up. So I like to say that I’m a father, I’m a teacher, I’m speaker, I’m a creator, I’m a networker, I’m a lifter, I’m a music listener, I’m a cooker, I’m a baker. I have tons of errors, Jake. Now, when I’m thinking about all those errors in my life and the ones that elevate me and energize me, the next easiest step that isn’t always easy to do, but to think about is how do I build those ers into my everyday schedule? Not just hope that I lift weights today, not just hope that I listen to some good music today, not just hope that I spend a little time with my kids after dinner today, but I’m intentionally scheduling in what I like to call the good stuff, your urr. Because positive psych, we know the more you lean into your urrs, the more likely you are, and I’m sure Jake, you’ve gotten there.

The good stuff you get in your flow state, you’re working on something and all of a sudden like someone significant other taps you on the shoulder and it was like two hours have gone by and you’re like, what happened? I was in the zone. The more humans can get into those moments, even if they’re short bursts, like that allows us to flourish and thrive, that energizes us. And the goal is for us to get a positive mental energy bank so that when the things come your way that do every day.

Maybe you gotta pay a bill. Maybe you have to have a tough conversation with a coworker. Maybe you’re just in an innocent disagreement with your spouse. All of those things can slowly chip away at your energy because they do. They take energy. But by having those furs built in through your day, you’re naturally building up that bank throughout the day so that as the, you know, the little chisel starts chipping away at you, your rock continues to reform.

Building in the good stuff, as simple as it is, to say a lot of people are really terrible at scheduling it in, and especially for our public health workers and educators, they just give and they don’t think about themselves. They feel selfish.

Well, that’s, that’s fascinating because as a culture, we are very work focused and it’s like, well, if we’re not working, we’re not doing. whereas what I love what you’re saying about is that you are not your work. Your identity is not wrapped up in that. Like you are you. And if you don’t make time for that, everything’s going to suffer. I feel, think about the lockdown during the like COVID-19 stuff and that was a tragic time, but personally it was freeing because I actually made time for me. And the mornings was like, get up early and do those er things. Like I was a disc golfer, right? I was obsessed with it. And I’ve noticed that about my wife and I is we get really obsessed with a hobby at a time and we just go ham at it we love it and we do everything with it. And then we move on to another one.

The Importance of Scheduling Self-Care

And so like that was part of my thing. And what I noticed is during the day, everything else went better. Like because we had started with that and almost like you said, like, all right, my cup was filled or my pitcher was filled. Now I can pour out and you’re starting the day in such an incredible way. It reminds me of that Miracle Morning book. I think that’s where it got the idea was like, I just read the back of it. It was like, yeah, why would I not start my day with something cool?

And I think too, like, I think people don’t give enough credit for like having outside hobbies outside of work. Like I teach chemistry, but I DJed weddings for 10 years. I teach chemistry and physics, but I motivational speak across the country to all school assemblies with my best friend. I mean, how great is that? Or I get to pour into educators and public health workers at like state conferences. How amazing is that? And when I leave my job and I come back and I’m filled up in a different way, I’m more creative. I got more energy and zest for my students. I mean, they, they notice when I’m revved up and jacked up and filled up and it’s because I’m taking a break from something that I do every day slightly doesn’t need to be a whole day off, but changing it up for you. was that disc golf and that changing things up, learning things new and allowing yourself to thrive in different ways is good for all work in every way. And there’s again, so many studies that support that. So yeah, I think the fact that you and your spouse were learning something new and positive psych learning and growing is also a huge way to motivate and educate and propel yourself forward. Learning new things really inspires humans so you were doing like two things at once no wonder it was feeling great you know.

Building a Daily Routine for Fulfillment

Yeah, that’s cool. That’s cool. So I’ve got the urs and to do the things that we love, taking care of that. What’s number two?

Who was building it in then making the schedule? So one of the things I love to do is I pull up my daily Monday through Friday schedule. And the number one thing I get from people is they think I’m trying to push them to get up at 4am. And it’s like, I’m not saying that my schedule needs to be your schedule. I’m saying for my life and what I want with all my ers, and I still want seven and a half hours of sleep at night. This is my strict schedule.

And even though the schedule never ever works perfectly every single day, majority of it works. And so many of those errors got hit on. I was listening to one of my new favorite bands, brand new album on the way home today from work. I mean, I was slamming the steering wheel. It felt great. I picked up my daughter. I had a conversation with her. I made dinner, helped her with homework. I mean, I’m talking about all these little things. It’s like bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, little gold coin on Mario going above my head like.

I’m just cashing in on all these errors that I built in. And that allowed me to be super excited throughout the day, even when things were a drag. mean, I had to do things at work today that I didn’t feel like doing, like grading papers or taking attendance or having a difficult conversation. But again, building in this good stuff through a schedule, through intention makes a huge deal. So I always recommend people to start maybe like you did with a morning routine or maybe just 30 minutes after work.

Create a space for 30 minutes every day or 15 for just you. Read a book, whatever it is, but build a little bit in and protect that time and you start to see how valuable it can be.

Habit Stacking for Efficiency

Dang, I’m going to add something in there, Phil, because I just learned I had this experience where I’m writing a book with a friend of mine and it’s one of those things where I have said that I don’t like writing. And he mentioned this on the trip. We weren’t even talking about it, but yeah, I don’t like cooking. I don’t like exercising unless there’s a ball in front of me. Like all these things that I’ve told myself, but I have examples in my life of other people that have adopted a different mindset. They’ve chosen to like other things or found an aspect of doing that where they would enjoy it. So for example, like I have a friend who meal plans one day a week, they can get it all done. And that’s the time when they also get to watch their favorite show ⁓ or goes to the gym. And by the time they do that, they get to read their favorite book. so I see you doing like some stacking hands is that is that like a habit stacking? Is that what that is?

I like that. Yeah, you’re stacking habits. I mean, you’re like enjoying winning and bearing the fruits of your labor. Like, what an awesome thing to do, you know? Like, good kudos to them.

Right? And I think what I love to put on anybody who’s listened to this, because it was so helpful for me, is, Phil, if I hear the stuff that you like to do and it’s not my favorite stuff, or like you had said, I still want eight hours of sleep a night or how much you want, is it can feel like, I don’t like that many things, or I don’t have things that I like. But maybe the question should be, what do you want to enjoy? And how can you enjoy it?

So that you can fit everything in because if you just take it all for, well, this is what I like to do, but this is all the stuff I have to do. Sometimes you’ve got to stack them. You’ve got to combine them or you might not have time. You got to get creative. So if anybody’s listening to this, full permission to ask yourself, what do you want to like that you don’t write raw? How can you get yourself to like it or how can you change your mindset to pick something because I don’t want to gloss over that. We can put it in the schedule. So you kind of build your list of your urs. You define the things that fill you up. You put them into your daily schedule so they’re on the calendar. Anything else that we should be doing?

Decluttering and Prioritizing What Matters

Yeah, so that’s like my routine. And now, as you know, when you follow a schedule, it becomes a habit. It’s just you automatically go to the next thing. I’m listening to an audiobook halfway to work, and then I’m listening to music to pump me up for work. And then I get to work. I have a routine for my classroom to make me feel energized for when my students come. But it’s all intentional. And I know that this can be overwhelming, right? Like this took me, I mean, I’ve been working on this for like 10, 12 years, slowly like becoming obsessed and making it better. So I think sometimes people feel like, well, I just got a plan on my whole day. That seems impossible. No, let’s start with a little bit of each day. And if you really start to enjoy it, then add on a little bit and add on. And then to add to one thing you said, like if you don’t exactly know what you’re into, that’s kind of exciting. Like to try new things out or explore or to double down on things you feel like you’re weak at or dislike to see if you really dislike them.

And then another part too is the hard part is decluttering. Think when we start to be intentional about our day, we start to see things we do out of habit that we like, but that don’t serve us as well as something else that we would like even more. And when I started doing that, like I got rid of an hour and a half of TV every night, not because I didn’t like it, but because that hour and a half served me better in other ways for my family and me. I don’t miss it anymore. Even though at first I was like, well, this would be weird. What would I do without this? But now I can’t even imagine Monday through Friday watching TV because I’ve got so many other things that light me up even more, you know?

Yeah, there’s a saying I just learned from my friend. He’s an economist. the phrase was, there are no solutions, there are only trade-offs. And it’s how economists think. I’m like, that’s so weird. then they explained it like as an economy, like your money goes somewhere. It has to go somewhere. So if you don’t spend it here, you have it now to spend and invest somewhere else. And so it’s always trading hands.

That’s a cool trade that you had because you’re like, like TV. I relate to that. I love relaxing over TV, but are there other ways to relax and enjoy something or to be entertained and also get something else? Absolutely, let’s explore it.

I it. I love it. I agree with you. So if you build it in and you build it in enough where you start feeling like at the end of the day, you aren’t like super burned out jaded or cynical and you go to bed and you fall asleep really fast, like that’s a good sign that things are going well. And from there, that’s when you can really start leaning into your own individual unique gifts. So my last step is that once you get to a point where you’re thriving instead of surviving, I say give, give as much as you can in your own unique way and everyone has their own gifts that they can give that doesn’t make them feel like they’re depleting. So like for me, I love to cook and bake for people, surprise them with sweets or like a cake. Like that seems silly, but that fills me up. It allows me to be a creator and a baker, but also a giver. And when you give someone something handmade, I feel like that makes them feel a certain way too. But once we’re out of this cycle of just surviving, but thriving, the more we give, and I know you serve others Jake, like, you’re a servant leader. You know how that is after you go through a killer good assembly. Everyone’s high on energy. They’re feeling good. They’re making good choices. Like, don’t tell me how much you gave. You gave all you had to that group and they feel good. But don’t tell me that doesn’t make you feel good that they felt good. I mean, it’s reciprocal and it’s not selfish. It’s human nature. When we give, both parties win because we both feel good. The more we can get to that in a world we all can give in our own unique ways.

The better off we’ll be, the more supported we’ll be, the more energized we’ll be, the more inspired we’ll be. It’s a beautiful world.

Yeah, I love that you said that because our jobs can fill us up and they’re the aspects we love, they’re the aspects we don’t love. And as we’re doing this decluttering and prioritizing us and our errs, can see some reasons why people might not do this. Right?

Strategies to Combat Burnout

What do you think stands in the way of people taking this advice seriously? Is there a critic around that’s just like, no, Phil, that’s not realistic or I can’t do that. What is that?

I think number one, it’s a lack of confidence. It’s a lack of standing up for yourself and saying that this is okay. This is not selfish. This is valuable, not only to me, but to all that I do. And it really takes a moment for people to get over that. They’re like, that’s impossible. Phil does all these things. This is just a fake schedule. He’s probably screaming at his kids and taking it out at home after he smiles. I know I get met with a lot of cynicism.

And I think it’s important to be cynical or not cynical, but at least question like, is this guy for real? But I tell you, the more you build on yourself and the more you give to the world, the more resilient you are, the more patient you are with people, the more open you are to people’s different perspectives. Even my goodness, when the world is so polarized, I can still talk to someone I agree, disagree with 100 percent and still know that I love them. I still value them even though I think their point of view is incredibly insane and how they think the world can go. But that doesn’t change the fact that we’re not humans and that we can’t respect each other and love each other. But I don’t know if I could feel that way if I wasn’t so gassed up on the things that I love to do so that I can handle those difficult moments. So I think a lot of people won’t take the time to do it because they think it’s selfish and they’re not confident enough. They don’t think they’re truly worthy enough to you invest into. But once they can get over that hump, it changes everything. The way you bring yourself to the world, people notice it immediately. Comes in the form of confidence and calm and love, and people pick up on that right away.

And I’ve even had, I’ve had some friends and I can relate to this a little bit is that you love your work so much and you’re pretty good at it. So your dopamine is firing throughout the day and you feel a sense of purpose and maybe you have community and belonging around your work that when it comes to outside things or free time, you can’t think of that new dopamine or that community that you have.

You don’t seem to have it. So instead you only invest in that one thing. And I mean, I guess as far as problems go, that’s a great problem to have. Right? On the other hand, it would be beneficial to your longevity and to your mental health and your creativity to go ahead and like, find, try really hard. And so, I mean, this year we yeah, do you love your job that much? Yeah.

We rented an office space to have separation. And one of the benefits has been the forced separation to explore new hobbies and habits and thinking to ourselves, we haven’t connected with our friends in a while because we travel so much. Like, let’s try to invite someone over for dinner or for games tonight. Or even if it’s a different kind of serving, because we love serving at our church and our youth ministry. And some people look at it and say, well, that’s what you do. Why are you doing more of that?

Giving Back and Its Reciprocal Benefits

It’s work. It’s so different, right? We’re not leading. Like we can be a part of it and we can enjoy it and there’s a new community around it. And we’re learning just as much as the students are. So it’s like, even if the outside people don’t get it, your confidence, like you said, your sense of purpose and your interests can go first, even if others don’t. And you might need to stretch yourself to say, how can I like literally put down the work because maybe you’re just good at it and it’s actually hard to put down.

I think too, if you find yourself in that rhythm, like I just can’t stop work. I like it. I don’t have any other hobbies or interests. think the best way to combat that is to reach out and meet new people and just do a quick 10 minute zoom call with different people in different places of work. I find it’s so inspiring to just learn about what other people do and what interests them and what they’re up to. And I find that inspiring. And sometimes it sparks a new interest in my life or a new passion.

Or that I just get excited that someone else is excited about their life. So sometimes just connecting with humans, even though that’s not like an official hobby, networking and that, it doesn’t hurt your business, especially if you love work, but also it just gives you ideas. New people, new ideas. I don’t think it’s ever a bad thing. I think that’s a good way to get out of the rhythm if you are genuinely trying to look for something other than work. That’s kind of a easy way out.

Yeah, that’s good. I would love to end, Phil, with ⁓ just any parting piece of guidance for those of us who are in the public health drug prevention industry. You’re an educator yourself, you’re in the schools, you’re also working with educators around the country. ⁓ Is there anything that you can just share with us that we should know from your perspective on helping students make great choices around substance use?

The Power of Passion in Education

Yeah, I think when we show up our best self without even saying it, when we show up with passion, when we show up enjoying what we do, giving the information and empowering people while enjoying it, that sends a message greater than any stat can. And statistics are valuable. Stories are important. But people get a feeling when you walk in the room and when you pour into others. And when you believe in what you’re doing and they see that you enjoy it and believe it, they remember whether they’re going to admit to you or not. They notice they’re taking note and it’s making an impact. So even though the outside world media, whatever might not seem like they support you, be confident enough to know you’re doing a worthy thing. It’s a worthy cause. And the people that matter most that we pour into know when you’re being true, authentic and loving it. It makes all the difference. Keep going that route and it’s going to change the world. It always has and it always will.

Yes. And you have that thing that lights you up. If you’re listening to this podcast, like you have that thing that you love about your job and you want to do more of. You have the thing that you’re petrified of. Phil, most people it’s public speaking, right? How that’s crazy to us, but we love it so with that said, if you need someone like Phil to energize your educate educators or people doing this life giving work, he’s your guy because as you can see, he brings the energy.

You don’t have to be the great at it. If you need someone for substance use prevention in your schools, that’s what Vive 18 is for. When we walk in the room, the students see the energy, the passion, the commitment, and they have fun with it. So this is permission. That’s totally a shameless plug. And it’s permission to tag other people into your community to fill those places where you don’t get energy from because that’s where they get theirs. And that’s what these teams where we started talking about this well-oiled you know, like system of educators and passionate leaders and how it works in levels. That’s what the great organizations look like. ⁓ So Phil, if people want to tag you in for anything or understand more about how you help organizations and professionals like them, where can they go?

Yeah, just check out philjanasiewski.com. If you Google my name, good luck spelling it. I’m everywhere with my obnoxious face. So you’ll find me, but it would be my honor to serve you in any way or sincerely. If I’m not the right fit, I know a lot of great humans, just like the wonderful peeps at Vive 18. I’d be happy to direct you to people who truly love what they do in that area so that they can support you. That’s what it’s all about. Together we rise, brother.

Yeah, amen. And you know what? I’m gonna spell it for him, cause I want him to find you. So Phil, J-A-N-U-S-Z-E-W-S-K-I. I had to ask him how to tell. Okay, so what did you tell me when we, ⁓ I said, hey, how do you pronounce your last name? Tell him the hook.

Alright friends, you’re going to a field trip to the zoo. You’re gonna stop by the ape cage. It’s a gorilla named Janice, okay? Janice. He’s at the zoo. Janice Zoo. And he’s on skis. Janice Zoo ski. I know. Weird way to remember it, you know?

So there you go. You can imagine the gorilla in the zoo on skis named Janice and now you know Phil Januszewski. Well, Phil, this has been a great episode. Thank you for being on and thank you for all our listeners for tuning into another episode. We can’t thank you enough for the work that you do. You heard it all episode. It’s important. Keep going. If somebody you know needs this encouragement please send them this episode, send them this clip if you’re watching, and please stay in the game. If you need help, tag us in. We’ll see you all on the next episode of the Drug Prevention Power Hour.