The Impact of Faith on Recovery
Welcome back to another episode of the Drug Prevention Power Hour. I’m your host, Jake White. And today we are hanging out with a new friend, Jennifer Evans. And Jennifer, let me tell you a little bit about her. She’s got plenty of titles, but she’s a nonprofit leader. She’s a speaker, missionary a recovery advocate, but most importantly, a little child of God. I love that, Jennifer. Welcome to the show. Thank you so much, Jake. I’m excited to be here and hello everyone.
Yeah. So Jennifer, you just like to tell a little bit, we got connected through a mutual friend from church and Grant and his whole family are big leaders in the church. And he said that you have this whole past of really being a strong advocate for recovery. And our conversation today, just a teaser for everyone listening, we’re going to talk about relapse prevention.
And this is so important. I don’t think we’ve ever covered it on this show. So this episode is going to be really cool for the sober community and the recovery community. we know that there’s a prevention is a span. It’s a spectrum. And we all play our unique parts on the team. But if you are someone who’s working in this space and you want to learn more, I’m so excited that we get to learn from Jennifer today. But Jennifer, to start, will you kind of share? What’s your story and why are you passionate about recovery?
Yeah, so I was born and raised in Mesa, Arizona, and I grew up, my mom instilled in me a passion to serve the homeless. And so I remember going to feed the homeless with her. And I always had this evangelistic call where I wanted to go abroad and serve people in need. And I used to just visualize going to Africa and serving in that continent. And so in 2012, my dream was manifested and I made my first trip over to the continent of Africa to Ethiopia.
And I have since made my 20th trip there recently to Uganda. Yes. So be careful what you wish for. I always share my 20th? 20 technique for just you we know God created us in his image and so that we can co-create. And so I used to visualize and journal that I was going to do this global ministry. And now I’ve, I’ve gone to 49 countries and six continents. So, um, yeah. So God’s amazing. So I helped, uh, I worked for a global hearing healthcare organization and we train community workers around the globe, how to identify people with hearing loss, fit them with hearing aids and do aftercare services.
That was, I, you know, I got my dream job and I got to see the world. became a global citizen. So just working with people from all different races and religions and, you know, economic statuses, and then just seeing the world. from, you know, guerrilla tracking in Rwanda to, you know, tribes in Papua New Guinea, boating down the Amazon and Peru, you know, being in India and the Karela backwaters and walking the streets of Bethlehem. I mean, I could go on and on and on, but I really just kind of had it all. I like to say I owned my dreams, but in 2016 kind of crashed and burned because I had been a high functioning addict for most of my adult life. So lots of drinking and drugging in my past starting at 13. So, you know, I had some, I think a lot of people use because of childhood trauma and trying to cope with trauma, right? That’s unresolved. And so I had some molestation in my background. My parents had got divorced.
So when I ended up quitting my dream job because I just burned out and 200 days on the road a year, the drug use and also always being in fight or flight mode, I was just constantly like on the go and it was all about performance. That’s where I found my value and what I was doing and even though it came from a pure place, yeah, I like to, you know, I’m doing this, I’m doing that, you know, so I don’t know if you’ve ever been in that before Jake, I mean, the performance, I think there is something in where do you put your identity. And if there’s other places you tried to find safety and security, it wasn’t that way. And so you’re like, well, I only feel valued when I perform this well. Which now, you know, knowing the freedom of Christ, it’s like, dang, thank you God that that does not apply, that we don’t have to perform for you and that you set us free from that. okay, so that’s really interesting.
You were 13 when this started, but you also have this basis of doing good in the world and a foundation of faith. That’s really interesting. Because you think about it in your brain and you want to rationalize it or put people into compartments. And you’re like, no, Christians don’t use drugs. In that case, your story is a lot different.
Yeah, you know, I grew up Catholic, so I believed in God and I got confirmed, but I really never had the personal relationship. But I was always trying to connect to God when I was using drugs and drinking. And I think a lot of people do that because we’re all seeking and searching. So drug use was part of my journey to finding God. And so when I quit my job, I knew I had to stop using, but I wanted to moderate like so many people that have used drugs and alcohol and it just didn’t work. And I remember I woke up one morning with a horrible hangover and headache and I felt like I wanted to die.
But I had promised to take my grandma to church and I didn’t want to let her down. But I used a little bit of drugs on the way to get ground for church, but God had grace on me. And I remember walking into the church and I looked at the program from the day and it said, addiction must fall. And it just popped out like lightning to me and I knew that God was talking to me.
And so I had a life coach at the time and she’s like, you know, Jennifer, have you tried praying to God for help? And I’m like, no. And she’s like, are you willing to do that? And I’m like, yeah, what do I do? And so she taught me to get down on my knees and ask God to help me change my story before something bad happened. And that’s what I did. And I was very grateful that I never got raped or killed someone in a drunk driving accident, you know.
There’s so many times that that could have happened, you know, and for many of my friends it did, but so I did that and I ended up getting into the 12 steps and really working the program. And you know what they say, it works if you work it. But a couple months in, I was sober, but you know, you’re, when you’ve been using drugs for so many years and alcohol, then your emotions all come up. So I got very depressed and anxious.
Yeah, I’ve heard that, I’ve heard that. And depression and anxiety is still something I’ve battled today, but I’ve really learned some good coping skills on that, which I can share later. But at that point, I didn’t really know how to handle it. I ended up at this women’s conference in Austin, Texas, and there was like 11 women and me, and they were all happy and successful, and I’m just sober and depressed and anxious. And I thought there has to be more.
Come to find out all the women realized they were all Christian at this conference. I was the only one that wasn’t. And so I like to say they were high on the Holy Spirit and they started talking about Jesus. And at first I was pretty resistant, but I just realized that like I had had everything the world had to offer. You know, I worked for billionaires when I traveled. So I was in private jets, five star hotels, but there was always still a hole in my heart and that wasn’t fulfilled. And I was still seeking.
And so a couple of women started loving up on me. They encouraged me to just talk to Jesus. They said, he’s alive. He’s not real. He’s really not afraid of your questions. Ask him if he’s real to reveal himself to you. And I’m sure you know the scripture Matthew 7, 7 that says ask and you shall receive, seek and you shall refine knock on the door will be open. So I took that challenge. And so I started reading the Bible.
And asking God to reveal himself and how he did it to me was so unique and interesting. And I know that God’s word is true and he’ll do that for anyone who asks. So just got to plug that. And so I was on a flight to Ireland and I was getting off the airplane in Dublin and there was a couple across the aisle from me. And those women reaches up for her bag and she says to her husband, is this your bag? And he’s like, no. And then she looks at me and says, or is this this little child’s bag?
And I’m like, excuse me, I look young. And she just looked straight at me and said, honey, you just look like a little child. And I honestly just thought that was really rude. And I used to cuss like a sailor back then. So there was like f-bombs going off in my head. And I got to my hotel and I opened this book that one of those ladies from the conference gave me that said Bible, Bible verses for new beginners.
And so I opened the book and it says, Jesus asked you to come to him like a little child. The verse was Matthew 10, 15 that says, barely I say to you, unless you humble yourselves as a little child, you’ll by no means enter the kingdom of God. And so at that point I knew Jesus was real because he really spoke to me directly. but I really didn’t understand why do I need a savior?
I’m doing these good things. Don’t we just go to heaven if we’re a good person? But that’s when I really learned the gospel of Jesus that you know, we were all born sinners and that the wages for sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus. So if we really, you know, want all that God has to offer us for salvation that we need to confess our sins and repent and that he will forgive us and make us new new creations in Christ and so that’s my journey and it really has completely changed me and transformed my life.
Wow, amen. That’s so cool. there’s, what’s so funny is thinking about your journey. I don’t have a recovery story. I didn’t grow up using or anything like that, but my journey to find Christ was very similar in that I didn’t feel like I needed anything. I felt like my life was really good, but there was this emptiness and there was this performance mindset of like, huh, do I just keep trying to make other people happy? And somehow that makes me happy.
And even from the friend, meeting a group of believers and saying, hey, they’re different. And then saying, hey, you gotta ask God for stuff. Like he can, if he died on the cross for you, don’t you think he’d want you to know about it? Like you can ask. very, yeah, very similar testimonies that like how God revealed himself. So I have to notice too that your story is one of substance use and not knowing Christ and that
Your testimony now is one of recovery and one of knowing your true purpose found in Jesus. And I just, I would love the short celebration of like, now that you have this freedom of sobriety and your faith, what’s life like right now? What lights you up?
Relapse Prevention Strategies
Yeah, thank you. Life is completely different now. I think I have a piece of joy and a happiness that they say in the Bible be an all understanding and that doesn’t mean like life is easy at all. You know, we’re always gonna have trials, but I liked I have the hope that I have eternity in heaven where there’s no sin, no pain, no death with Jesus. And so I like to keep my mindset on heaven, right? On heavenly things, right? And so, yeah, I’m able to go out and give back. work for a nonprofit, Phoenix Rescue Mission, where I get to help through fundraising with organizations, get people off the streets that are homeless and into recovery programs.
Like ours, we have a recovery program for not only people with drug and alcohol addiction, but trauma, homelessness, any life controlling substance. And I get to get out and speak in different recovery programs around town and internationally, you know, on just sharing my story and, know, helping to, you know, I love what you’re doing, preventing people from using from the beginning. I mean, that’s really what God showed me lately is, you know, I ran a sober living nonprofit previously where I met Grant and it’s helping with prevention, Relapse prevention. And unfortunately I’m an expert because I’ve done it a couple of times, right? But would love to start doing more work. That’s why I’m glad to be connected with you to help on the prevention from the beginning side. So, but I really feel like I’m in walking in my purpose and I can use my testimony to help people because I’m not ashamed because I’ve done all these things in the past that, you know. But I don’t care, I can talk about it freely because God’s redeemed me from that. And so I get to really walk in my purpose now and to help others. So it feels really good, yeah.
That’s so good. I’m very, very glad. This is probably one of the biggest just intros. Your testimony is just filled with good news and faith. And so I just want to say this for our listeners who are like, hey, is this a gospel presentation? If you follow us closely, you’ll see like that’s my foundation. I can’t ignore it. I love to hear this news. And every episode we’re gonna bring you something great and fantastic, and we’re also gonna give you some tips and strategies. So Jennifer, one of the gifts you’ve been given is like, you’re educating people on relapse prevention. And I would love to get some tips from you because as people in the field of prevention, recovery is part of that.
And I actually share this with the students during our presentations is the sad news is that if you start using at a young age, you’re more likely to become addicted because your brain is still growing and things like that. the good news, I honestly, I stole this from Laura Stack. Shout out Laura Stack from Johnny’s Ambassadors. She also taught me that, well, because your brain is still growing, you’re more susceptible to addiction, but you’re also more susceptible to recovery.
Your brain is healing faster. It’s growing faster. So if you decide to quit, a lot of times you can quit a lot easier. But when you’re working with an adult population, you have like someone’s journey might be going to rehab or quitting multiple times before it sticks. And obviously we want to decrease that curve. We want it to stick earlier. So Jennifer, please take me to school. How can we get better at relapse prevention?
Okay, cool Thank you for saying that. think one of the first things is really getting into a recovery community because we can’t do it alone. And when we think we can, that’s often when people fall. And so whether that be AA, CA, CR, there’s so many different types of programs that you can get into and having a sponsor.
I still have a sponsor. I call her a mentor now, but you know, that’s what they call them in Celebrate Recovery, which is a Christ-centered recovery program. But I, you know, talk to her whenever I need some advice, am I going through depression, anxiety, you know, it’s just, you know, at the beginning, sometimes you talk to your sponsor every day, you know, after being sober over six years now, you know, it’s not as often, but it’s at least every other week.
If you’re new, working those steps, you know, just making sure that you stay connected and go to meetings and do what they tell you to do. Because I can tell you, I wouldn’t have got sober without that. And if you want to stay sober, you got to really stay spiritually connected. That’s the number one part of programs. And for me, I say get born again, because that’s been the biggest thing for me is accepting Jesus as my Lord and savior and having the Holy Spirit come to live inside of me, which is really what it means to be born again.
And so my relationship with God has to be number one, or, you know, I’m off kilter. so whatever that is for you, your higher power, but exploring that and seeking that and making sure that’s number one. Secondly, I like to say, don’t marry someone you don’t know. All right?
Wait, wait is this a metaphor or this just truth advice you’re like about marriage?
That was very obvious and it’s a little embarrassing to admit, but I have done this and I wish I could say I was drunk high and not Christian, but that was not the case. I was actually a year sober and walking with the Lord and I met a guy online and he said he loved God and he was very charismatic and we got married in three weeks. Yeah, yeah. And so it just wasn’t good. And so I won’t get into the whole story, but I think this tip is really basically don’t make hasty decisions because that was something I always did when I was using and even, you know, in recovery, right? We still have some bad habits. So when I didn’t feel good, you could make a hasty decision like quitting a job or breaking up with a person or moving or something.
Finding Faith and Purpose
And I’ve learned now to just take a nap to seek godly counsel, like talk to your sponsor take some time, because if there’s anything big, if there’s a big move for you or something that it’s going to be confirmed, you’re going to have, you know, get some advice, don’t make quick decisions, because that’s really when people relapse too, you know, and when they’re making those hasty decisions. So that’s something that I really share because I think it’s funny because when I speak in places, I always say, who else did it? And there’s always at least one person. I like I relate to that relationships and money are the number one causes for relapse. So we really have to be cautious when we’re in recovery on the relationships that we’re having.
And I always tell people, be real, if you’re in early recovery, you shouldn’t be dating right now and anyone who’s interested in you is not really healthy unless you’re lying and you’re not telling them the truth. And so we have to be very careful about who we hang out with and let into our lives, because that can easily lead to relapse.
Okay, that’s interesting. as somebody who’s not in the recovery space as much, a ton of friends from Celebrate Recovery and things like that, but the fact you said relationships and money are the number one reasons for relapse. So that makes sense that your dating pool, that people you know, were probably from that environment, that old environment. And if you’re trying to turn over your life into something new, you’d need some time to develop those new circles. Or your new dating pool, right? That that’s take some time.
What did you mean by money being the number one reason, one of the top reasons for real say someone is new in recovery and they go back and get to working and they get their first big check, that can sometimes be a trigger, right? And they’re not used to managing money. And so if you feel led and you’ve got that money, you could go out and binge, right? So you just got to be careful with that.
Okay, that’s, huh, I wouldn’t have thought that too, but you mentioned it, a trigger. Anytime before this I had money, I did this with it. So now I have money again and more of it. Your brain probably thinks, well, what did I spend money on? So you kind of have to redefine yourself that way too.
Yeah, I could just go out and do this right now. Yeah, so being very cautious with that. Okay, so I’ve got so far, I’m taking notes, Jennifer.
Get into your recovery community. Explore and seek your higher power. Don’t make hate sea decisions, but take your time. And you gave us some real things because like, take your time sounds easy to say, but what it means specifically for you is like, hey, take a nap, pray, talk to someone, call your sponsor or mentor. And that to recognize relationships are money are the number one reasons for a relapse.
So be prepared, don’t be trying to be dating people or thinking that that needs to be a priority right now and looking at your pool of friends. now even when you get that check to be poised and probably honestly be ready to call that mentor probably when you have that urge. What’s after relationships and money.
Humble yourself and God will lift you up. So there is a scripture in the Bible that says God resists the proud and gives grace to the humble. And so I always want to encourage people in early recovery to just get out there and start working and not worrying about fulfilling your dreams right now because you really got to build a solid foundation and learn how to live sober and keep the stress down. So for me, what that looked like was I got a job as a pantry attendant. I was living in Hollywood at the time at a place called Viacom, which is a big entertainment company.
And so I was pushing a coffee cart and around executives, putting out food, washing dishes, sweeping the floor, filling up coffee machines and that was honestly like one of the best things for me instead of like I could have gone out and got a career job but there would have been stress so I really like took it easy and so I really humbled myself and just got got into my recovery you know did the steps and really got learned my grew my relationship with God and that I always encourage people just get out and get working because they said like, idle time is the devil’s playground. But it’s really true.
People in recovery, we can get in our heads and think about ourselves so much. And we really just getting out there and working and having a schedule is super helpful. And just letting God build you up. Like I used to strive, I’m going to go do this, I’m going to go do that. I just started.
This my pantry attendant $14 an hour job and God turned me into executive director three years later. And now I’m working as a director of partnerships for Phoenix rescue mission and living in my purpose. So it can really happen quickly, but we just need to humble and let God, you know, build us up.
Living in Sobriety and Service
That’s cool. I love that. And the fact that you mentioned there’s time to focus on one thing at a time. Yes, your career can be amazing and that’s a benefit of sobriety is you get to achieve more and focus on more positive things that build you up and the world up. But at the time, it’s really about focusing on, how do I just stay clean and keep my emotions in check? Is this a good time, Jennifer?
If there’s some more, you had mentioned before just the coping skills that you used. Would this be a good point to stop and say, hey, what are those coping skills you use to really take care of your mental health in recovery and avoid relapse?
Yeah, okay, great. So the first thing is really no phone for my first hour in the morning, right? I just I keep it off because I really want to center and pray and get in like the Bible and I can turn on worship music be journaling and just really spend my first hour with God, even if you have 20 minutes, whatever you have. But I think that is the most important thing is to pray or meditate.
Because once you turn your phone on or you’re scrolling or you’re working, you don’t have that. And so that’s got to be number one for me to cope and avoid relapse. Another thing is really stewarding your health. And so it relays so much of what we eat and put into our bodies, what we watch, what we listen to affects our mental health. So I personally had to cut out caffeine which was one of the hardest things I ever did. But as someone who struggles with anxiety, I know that it elevates it and it really, make faster decisions. I don’t always think about things as much. So that’s been a battle the last couple of years, but I do much better. And thank God I’m now like over three weeks sober from caffeine again. I’ve been so off. I had 90 days and then I got roofied at Starbucks. I over-vented and they gave me a regular, so I went off the rails. It doesn’t affect everyone like that, but it does me. And it’s about cutting down on sugars, like gluten for me and like all the carbs. If I eat cleaner, that really helps my mental health and my recovery. And also working out, like getting outside, even if it’s, love to hike, I love to rollerblade.
Even if it’s a 20 minute walk outside, just really, there’s gotta be, we gotta release that stress or it’s gonna really stay in our bodies. And so that’s just a good coping. But I like to say the nap is the biggest thing. And it’s a joke, but it’s more like take a time out. If something’s really frustrating you, it’s not the time to respond to somebody, to that email, to that call. You can take a time out and you can call a mentor. You can take a nap, take a walk. It’s just take a time out.
We’re not gonna go relapse. We’re not gonna go use drugs or alcohol. We’re gonna take a step back in that maybe calling a friend. have accountability partner. I always call, go to a meeting, do what you gotta do to not go to drugs and alcohol.
Yeah. Okay. That’s so good. I think of the one, can you mention nap? Is there’s like a phrase, like when you want to make a better decision, sleep on it. Right? Like that’s gotta come from somewhere, right? It probably is this notion that your brain’s gonna kind of reset from your emotions cause you’re all riled up. I know this year I’ve had some, I had more stressful days that I’m used to Jennifer, I’m so blessed that as building this business, I’ve been living in a fantasy world, getting to work with my wife, Emily, and travel and do this good work. And it feels like a fairy tale sometimes because there’s so little drama in my life.
And this year, as our program has grown and the demands have grown, I’m like, this is what stress feels like. This is what people feel like at work when maybe they have a little bit of conflict or something, which is it’s going to happen if you’re doing big things if you’re if leading a movement this stuff’s gonna happen and so I’ve also experienced the man. I just want to do something to get rid of this feeling right now But I’m gonna sleep on it It’s uncomfortable now, but I’m gonna sleep on it Get it yeah. And that really made me think of a thing that is super important to you is breathing. That really helps bring that stress level down. And there’s different techniques. One of them is like the perfect breath. say, you know, five and a half breaths in, I don’t even know how you do a half. So I just count to five and then five breaths out and do that for three minutes.
So I try to do that in my morning routine to regulate my nervous system. Or if you’re you know, struggling with anxiety, you can do like a three, four breath in, hold for seven seconds and then eight breaths out and do that for a few minutes. And honestly, that really brings it down for me. And so that’s just another point. Cause I, yeah, I say, like to, I’m also, you know, someone who likes to help people with mental health because that’s a big, that’s a big thing that I struggle with. So.
Yeah, I love that for so many reasons. And I just want to point out because I’m always thinking about what is someone who doesn’t like this advice thinking? Like what’s the other side of this? And part of my brain when I hear like breath techniques is like, it’s so simple. There’s no way that could work. But the genius is in the simplicity. Yes, we are breathing, but when you’re stressed, you’ll notice like you just don’t breathe as much, you hold it in your chest and it could be just focusing on your breathing. And Jennifer, we do this thing in our presentations. We teach students to choose skill sets over shortcuts. And the shortcut is obviously the negative thing you don’t want. It feels like you’re getting a solution in the moment, but you get your problems right back. It’s a shortcut. The skill set is something you learn to do and you can duplicate over and over again and it makes you better.
So as we talk about coping skills, I’m like putting it in my brain as a skillset. And how cool is it that you could have a skill that you could take out anywhere at any time with no equipment needed. And it’s just called something like breath work. That’s the genius behind that for anybody who’s saying, breath work, I’ve heard that too many times or that can’t work. No, it’s working because of its simplicity and you can pull it out anywhere, anytime.
Right. I was thinking that same thing, honestly, I’ve heard breathwork forever. I’ve done it on and off, but it wasn’t till this year where I really started to implement it. And I, it actually works. So like, that’s gotta be, instead of calling my friend, like do the breathing first, calm your nervous system down, then call the friend.
Yeah. You like call your friend and you’re like, my gosh, what happened? Someone cut me off in traffic. Yeah. Yeah. Luckily, I don’t experience that. I do not have road rage. I can just be like, go ahead. Because I like to say when the Bible where Jesus says, count people is more important than you. So I’m always like, that person is so more important than me. And they can go ahead. Like, God bless you.
That’s cool. That’s a good that is a good mindset. I need to take some notes I like I let Emily drive because I get so just anxious about it and like tightly wound so I’m thankful for her but I could take that I could put that scripture on my steering wheel maybe, exactly. The other driver is more important than you.
Okay, so I interrupted you a little bit. I’m glad I did. We talked about coping skills. We’re getting near the end of our episode and we’ve talked about relapse prevention from getting into a recovery community, seeking your higher power, taking your time, not making hasty decisions, not worrying about relationships, humble yourself, and then some focusing on your mental health and things like that instead of the long-term things like your career. Were there anything that we missed as far as your recommendations go?
Coping Skills for Mental Health
You know, it just, when it comes to coping, I like to say like, you know, discipline is your friend too, in recovery. And before I left, I always said, I want to do whatever I want to do. And I was a rebel, but now I realize that routine is so healthy and that God has a plan and purpose for every one of us, every one of your listeners, and he wants to fulfill it with you, but you have to take action on blocking your time and prioritizing the things that are important to you and take those steps. And sometimes it’s taking a step of faith and you don’t know what’s next. You’re scared, but you got to take those steps of faith. Just like, know, Jake with building your own business and a Vive 18, right? And then you’ll see he meets you as you keep going. so disciplining and stepping in faith. And then finally, it’s just never give up.
You know, if you have relapsed, you fall off, guess what? Just get back on. Get in those rooms, humble yourself, and you didn’t lose all the things that you’ve gained from the past. You’re just moving forward.
I love that. That’s perfect. Cause that is the enemy talking. Where it’s like, I lost all this. Like, no, you didn’t. You did incredible work for this amount of time. So you messed up once. That’s okay. You’ve learned all that. Let’s get back to it. Jennifer, this has been awesome. It’s been so fulfilling to me to talk to you about this because it’s not my normal sphere that I’m in, but also getting to talk about faith.
When you run a platform like this, 18 is not a faith-based program. We’re not putting Jesus’s name on the website and stuff, but personally it means so much to me. And it’s really cool to get to chat about it. I feel like I got a great sermon today from you, Jennifer. Yeah. And if anybody is listening to this, I know that Jennifer, you’re very open to questions. am too. Number one. Thank you, that means a lot to me.
If you have questions about this topic or even about faith, you can reach out to us. If people want to get a hold of you, Jennifer, what’s the best way to do that? Yeah, it’s on Instagram or Facebook at generosity Jen and that’s generosity spelled with a J and then J E N.
And that simply means sharing the goodness of God, you know, God is generous. So yeah, we would love to, you know, answer any questions you have or help anyone get into treatment or anything that they need. And I want to let you know that I’m super excited at volunteering at the Vive 18 National Conference coming up. So thank you for inviting me for that.
I’m excited to have you. For anybody that’s going to the conference, December 5th through 7th, Jen’s going to be a part of our Shark Tank panel. So she will be hearing your pitches on how you’re going to change the world in your community through prevention initiatives. And we’ve got some money in the bank to give y’all. So you’re going to be going home with some good funding to go do that.
And then she’ll be a smiling face, checking everybody in, hanging out with us, and it’ll be a great time. Jennifer, yeah, Jennifer, you’re awesome. Thank you for being on the show. And for everyone listening, thank you for doing your work. Whether you’re in primary prevention, secondary, tertiary, if you’re doing different things for the recovery community, please remember you’re not alone.
You don’t have to do this alone. In fact, we’re designed for community. So when you need help, whether it’s from us or anybody else, please ask because we are better together. And we will see you all next Monday for another episode of the Drug Prevention Power Hour.
