“Prevention Leaders in Rural Oklahoma: A Conversation with Misty and Ty”

Hello, and welcome back to another episode of the Party Talk Podcast where we empower leaders in youth drug prevention. I’m your host, Jake white, co-founder of Vive 18. And today, I’m chatting with Misty and Ty, who are prevention leaders in I would just say the Midwest, but you can always people define the Midwest differently, though, because I’m in Wisconsin right now speaking, and some people think that’s the Midwest. But all right, Misty, and Ty. What’s up? Welcome to the podcast. And please tell us a little bit more about you and your coalition.

Hi, my name is Misty Russell, and that we have a coalition in Northeast Oklahoma land in Salina. Oklahoma, it’s a little small, rural community. I have a drug free community grant here. And I’m I’m, I’m in year four. And our things that we kind of go over is underage drinking, and opioid use.And marijuana and vaping is such a huge epidemic when we’re out, and then all.

So talk about, so I’m Ty Thompson, I do all alternative ed. So a lot of what it is, is for kids that have been in trouble, or you know, they’re having a kid, maybe they’re behind on credits or whatever, like that, something like that. And then I’m also the athletic director, then virtual, and also I do in school placement, or ISP. So that’s kind of where Missy and I have kind of touched bases quite a bit is if I have a kid in ISP for vaping, then I get an old Missy, or she’s provided some resources for me, so that I can go along with the program that we’re trying to, or we have instituted here at Salina.

“Success Stories and Strategies in Youth Drug Prevention”

So our communities probably want to say, last US Census is like Around 1200, people were a high percentage of Native American population. And then the other high percentage is also Caucasian. But I’m gonna say most people have that American descent. But that kind of fuels the, the community a little bit, we’ve got to Indian Clinic and everything like that. And that’s where most of our kids go for health care. But we have a bunch of small communities around us that kind of feed into sloth as well. As small as we are, we still have I guess we would consider suburbs for even a small community. So they’re little branches, I guess, is a better way to put it.

Okay, yeah. That’s, that’s awesome. So you, you get to know your community well, and everything like that, and doing this work over. I mean, for me, watching from the outside, you know, getting to help you kind of launch your youth program. I really want to, for this episode, just for everyone listening. I spoke for Misty, what last fall maybe. And then just watching from the outside was like, Whoa, is she wearing booster rockets on her shoes, like good things seem to be happening. And so for this episode, Misty, Ty. Don’t feel like you’re bragging. I would love for you to share. What’s been the timeline of things that have happened and what can you celebrate with us, and all the good things that have come to pass over the last year? And then I might ask you some questions on how you pulled off some stuff. So that people listening can maybe steal some ideas or you know, duplicate your your great efforts that y’all have done, but can you kind of give us a timeline starting when I was there. I kind of want to catch up. So that sounds awesome.

No, so that’s great. So it was a year ago in October that I took on this position never worked in prevention, so I had really no idea what I was doing. But I have three teenagers myself, and so I kind of had a passion already. So I’ve kind of come in. I had you come in in April, to speak, kind of rally around from season. But with that, I’ve been able to really create some relationships and partnerships with the school. And with the superintendent, with the teachers, with the athletic director, with different ones that we have. And I think those are the biggest, biggest successes that I can say is finding the key partnerships within the school. And so kind of some of the things we do is, first off, I started trying to figure out how to put prevention in schools without trying to do a ton of presentations, because we, we don’t have a lot of money to spend on it. So one of the things is, I’ve hidden the hearts around the school in the high school that had prevention messages on it. And when they found them, they had to bring it to the teacher, and they got a prize. And we do toilet tabloids, which I brought one with me. And so we put these inside the stalls in middle school and in high school, we found out that more kids are after reading them versus out in the hallways. So like marches are vaping awareness. And so we’ll even have tear off tabs for where they can text numbers. And if we put them out in the hallways, they’re all still there. But if we put them in the restrooms, we’re having to refill them. So trying to find different ways to just show prevention, and get messages across without trying to shove it down their throat. So whatever that looks like. And so that’s been a really successful thing. One thing I wanted to partner with athletic directors, we kicked off them, you know, let’s tackle substance misuse, because a lot of our kids play a sport. So we tried to emphasize on how when you do these substances, how they affect your body, you know, after you drink, on Friday night, after your game, it’s slower healing process, and it messes with your muscles and all of that. And so that was a really great campaign. But talking with a football coach, we were able to put posters inside the locker rooms, and we were able to print off the rosters for the football team. So on the back of it, it had like our OPNA data, which is our Oklahoma prevention needs assessment. For so Linus, we were able to like educate them on that. And then we had the different ways that the different sepsis was affecting them so that way parents could see it. But we set up tables at football games we, we did, like fans, we ended out fans when it was hot, it had the social hosts law on it, and we’re going to do those for graduation. So it’s been kind of wherever we can put prevention in without, you know, doing a big, doing a big thing of it. Whether that’s been setting up on, you know, parent, teacher nights, things like that, and so on, I also got to do the kind of hidden in plain sight and some education for all the teachers on their professional development day and gave them all Narcan training. And so every teacher in Salina, has Narcan in their rooms. And so I think the biggest thing is just forming those relationships. And, and not just coming in and taking over, but coming in and wanting to be an asset, I think is huge. And so I’ve been trying to speak to other schools around on the great things that Solana is doing, and how they’ve allowed it and how it’s not really one more thing, it’s really just kind of a huge asset. One of the things that Ty’s already talked about, so we got the school to agree in August, that we do education before punitive punishment on vaping. So I kind of came to them and said, Hey, so they’re vaping. So then we send them home where they can vape even more. I personally had my own story with my own daughter and realized how bad the addiction really is. And so I wanted to share that with the school in how we really need to help with that. So that’s when they started with the ISP. Again, that’s what Ty does. When you’re in a small school, you have people that wear many hats. And so with that, anytime he has someone that comes in, he sends me a message. And most generally, I’ve been able to be here at every one of them. And I do the education for a couple of days. And we’ve had seven offenders so far and zero repeat offenders. And so but I’ve also provided Ty and his teacher assistant with the education also so in case I’m out at a conference or doing something that they’re able to provide that. But one of the things we really get to talk to the students about is just, you know, they know how harmful it is, but just like the long term effects of it. And so it really kind of just breaks it down a little bit more but Ty, is there anything else that you can think of that.

But one thing I also like to throw out there is just consistency. I know she’s got to talk about how they were being consistent, but just using that word started. Not and it’s not just consistency with the students, it’s not just consistent see with the faculty or administration, it’s everybody across the board. And one thing I’d like to add was, they also did shirts for football team as well. And to me, that even adds more to consistency, because low income area, they don’t get a lot of new stuff all the time. It may be once a year, when they get the nation benefit for clothing or whatever like that, you know, or something that the whatever sports team that they’re buying for buys or whatever. And so, I’ve seen a ton of kids wearing those shirts throughout the year, just because it is something new it is something that you can’t really believe it or having dealt with. And they’re at least seeing that more often.

“Overcoming Challenges and Building Partnerships”

Wow, that’s so cool. I. So I know for y’all, since you’re doing this every day, you’re probably like, oh, yeah, this is normal, this is what we’re doing. It’s exciting. But like Jake, calm down, because you’re obsessing over it. But what I love is that you’ve built so much momentum, and that consistency probably has a lot to do with it. And you’ve built relationships. And since you’ve done that people are allowing you to do more. And I just want to point out something that I thought was so cool, is when he talked in the beginning about you know, hiding hearts in the school, and they would, you know, bring them to you for something is like you’re gamifying the content and the engagement, you’re not just telling people things, you’re making it fun and spontaneous and adventurous. And it’s something to get excited about during the day. You also took an idea of putting up posters, and found out it was, people would more likely read it when they’re in the bathrooms, because they’re just walking by the hallways. And so you’re, you’re problem solving, you’re finding the best way to do things, you’re partnering up with the athletic program, which we all know that a lot of times athletes have a lot of clout and influence. And so that’s a big, that’s a big bonus, I would say that y’all are able to do that. I wanted to ask you, was there any pushback, trying to get in with athletics or into the ISP or having like a, an alternative to suspension? Did you have any pushback or any questions that people wanted to know first?

Honestly, so when I kind of gave up the idea to our superintendent, he said, You know, I’m willing to try anything, because whatever we’re doing right now, is it working. So it was very much of him realizing, you know, what we’re doing isn’t working. Now, it did go into law in Oklahoma, in effect in November, November 1, that they have to do education over punishment, but a lot of schools still don’t know even know what that looks like. And so it was I was, that’s one thing that I was able to do is to get a lot of background on it. And that’s one thing is just doing a lot of research. So because the schools do have a lot going on. And so I came to them with some research with some background, and kind of just showed them, “hey, this is what I’m looking at. And and this is what we can do.” A lot of people are like, well, we’re not going to have time to do that. Or it’s supposed to be once a week for four weeks. Well, that didn’t work for us. So what we did is we do it in two days, like we do. I do one hour, one day, one hour, the next or whatever that looks like and so we had to fit it to whatever works best for us. And that was the other big thing is not taking something at face value. Like just because it works somewhere else doesn’t mean it always, you know, what does that look like for us in here. And, you know, just like he said about the T-shirts. At some schools, you may not even think anything about the T-shirts, but here it was a big deal. And I didn’t even realize it was that big of a deal. And then we also provided them with bracelets that said protect your game. Because we’re trying to get these kids to really hone in on something that they care about. And that is going to the next level possibly and informing them that even if they have a medical marijuana card, you know, the NCAA, you know, doesn’t recognize that when you go on to play sports in collegiate you know, and so just trying to inform them. So we did the three different things like how nicotine, how marijuana and alcohol affects like the athletic, you know, what they’re doing. And so that was just providing that I didn’t have much pushback either with from the athletic department, I just, I had a meeting with the football coach and told him kind of what I was doing my goals. And it really was just like, okay, what can we do?I know, it’s not like that everywhere. Salina has spoiled me tremendously, because they are, but I really think it comes from the top down. And because I have such great relationships, and great, you know, response from the superintendent to the athletic director, all those things, I think, is that’s why it’s a little bit easier for me to get in with the coaching. But you know, other things with the teachers. And so I really think that’s a huge aspect of it is, is first building those relationships in, and what does that look like. And there’s some things I’ve done for the school that has nothing to do with prevention, but it’s an asset that I can bring, and it’s building those relationships, I attend the monthly Chamber of Commerce meetings in our town, because I was really into the school and we’re really like, you know, going, but then I really was struggling in like, the community part of it. And so sensitive sending those, I have gotten great response from the, the town and it really anything I need, they’ve been super supportive, we’re actually going to do our second after prom party, we did one last year, we’ll do another one this year. And they just came in, and I think they gave over like $1,600 in gifts. In so for us to give away that night. And like he said, there’s only like 1200 here, but they really do care. And the school really cares. And so it’s really awesome, because my kids don’t even attend here. And so I really just think those relationships and building those and, and just making it, you know, kind of just a passion instead of a job. I always tell my husband, I could do this without being paid. And he thinks I’m crazy, of course. But I think it’s super fun what I get to do, and I really do love it. But to get to see these kids and know that we may not see the difference now, but it’ll be later on. But being able to add, you know, the athletic director and the ISP and the superintendent all in on this is been a huge, huge thing. And I really think it kind of needs all of those things to make it work.

Yeah, that’s incredible. And the thing is you what I want to highlight is you have, you know, you had strong relationships with the schools. And that makes sense. You know, like you’re working with Ty y’all are working together, you’re doing programming, you’re working within the athletics, then swiping you mentioned that I’ll just point out, is you mentioned that the influence happens from the top down. And I find that a lot of times when people ask me, Jake, how do I start developing a youth club and a youth initiative to get them involved is oftentimes we can think, okay, we need to talk with the students, or we need to talk with the school counselor. But oftentimes, we run into gatekeepers and obstacles. And the lesson I would share too, which maybe you knew you were doing maybe not, is by starting at the top by talking to maybe someone at the district level or the county level, they can often give you access to be on campus more, because they’re bought in. And so it can save you a lot of time and help you speed up those relationships, which I think is so cool. The other thing that I wanted to mention from, from what you just said, was the fact that you went, you went where you didn’t have momentum. So you’re like, Alright, I’m joining the Chamber of Commerce, or I’m showing up to their meeting, because that’s going to help build those relationships. And we all know anyone listening to this podcast who’s involved in a coalition knows that you don’t do it for the money, that you’re not getting paid enough because you’re really doing five jobs or 10 jobs in one ad. So like to say I’m gonna go ahead and show about this part. And I’m adding that to my job description is helped speed up your other initiatives, because now you have so much more involvement. Super, super cool. So I just want to celebrate you for a second. The other area, did you start a youth club? Or how are students involved in your initiatives right now?

“Collaborative Efforts and Community Support: Strengthening Youth Drug Prevention Programs”

So I have a high school coalition and a middle school Coalition. We meet once a month and thenI also have my adult Coalition, which, again, we meet once a month. And we do bring those key players in, it’s my superintendent, the athletic director, and usually all three counselors from all three schools, all three principals try to be there from Cherokee Nation, our SRO, our school resource officer, so I meet with those key people once a month. And so and then from there, then I have my high school coalition, we do a lot in the community. And they’re the ones that when we put on any event, they’re there beside me. And so even had some of them come and attend the chamber of meetings with me, just to show them like, kinda, this is our part. And so it consists of, there’s about 13 of them. And, and so we just got back from Katka in Washington, DC, I was able to take seven of them. And then then our middle school coalition in it’s more, it’s, it’s new. And so we don’t do a lot of stuff outside, it’s more stuff within the school that they they helped me do with putting up posters and, and doing stuff like that. But we’ve also done some, like sober activities, like they did a dance. And, you know, we’ll do game night, things like that. So they’re really big at participating in that, but trying to get them bought in at an earlier age. So that way, they’re really prepared by the time they get into high school. And so that’s, you know, been really exciting. And so, my, I have about three or four seniors graduating this year, which is so incredibly sad, but I have one of them that wants to pursue in prevention now. Whoa, is in so she actually we’re trying to do an internship program for her this summer. And to see what that looks like, because, and that’s one of my, my biggest things is to get younger people in, involved and that’s the other part is listening to them. So I don’t just make up this stuff and just try to make it work. I actually asked the youth what can we do? What’s going to, you know, how can we meet people where they’re at? And that’s just kind of seeing what that looks like, and, and taking what they say and and really, you know, wanting to do what they want to do to because they’re a huge voice in it. And so, but yeah, our middle school coalition’s about 22, majority of them sixth and seventh graders. And so but yeah, it’s that’s been a huge thing. Our high school coalition is super strong, and, you know, up and right along, but our middle school is still just a little young. So we don’t do a lot of like I said that community stuff, that’s more stuff in the school, but they’re already starting to see kind of what that looks like.

Out of this, so, so cool. I so we talked a little bit before I told you I was in. I was speaking in middle school today. What I didn’t share is that so this organization called Oshkosh Breakwater, they’re the coalition in Oshkosh, Wisconsin. And when I met them at CADCA forum last year, they didn’t have any youth presence at all. So that’s why they, we were talking and they’re like, “Hey, we know we should have done it. But we don’t know how we don’t know where to start.” We don’t even have relationship with our schools, like they won’t meet us. And so we decided to work together. And what was awesome is, so I grew up in Oshkosh, Wisconsin, by the way, so that’s my hometown. And so I was like, alright, well, I’m going to help you, we’re gonna get this thing figured out. And went and started reaching out to the administrators figuring out what they wanted, because I found out the reasons why they were shutting down. The Coalition is they’re like, Hey, we don’t we’re not into drug prevention, like, our biggest issues are students can’t read. We need to get reading scores to get funding to keep the schools open, like all this stuff. So we went in with question mode, instead, saying, Okay, how can we increase literacy through prevention and what’s stopping students from showing up with their best selves? And as you and I both know, like, if you’re showing up high to school or drunk to school, or your use of trauma from home you’re dealing with, of course, you’re not going to keep the lessons. You’re worried about your safety, it doesn’t feel at home, like all these things can happen. So fast forward. We’re here doing a week long some speaking at five middle schools and five days, launching a youth program with them, teaching them how to run and all that good stuff. And my favorite part was today it’s a school a lot like you’re talking about a love athletics. They’re super into, into that that’s going to be a reason to say no to substances or something harmful is because I’m saying yes to an athletic career. And what’s what I love is like the students that the principal said, like, Oh, those are our troubled students, like, they’re the ones giving us the most grief during the year, are also the ones who are like, Hey, I’m into this idea, let’s do it. Let’s, let’s join the club and do some events. And I want to be involved in this. And it was just how you present it right? And what you had said, which I loved was like, You’re not doing this for them, you’re doing it with them. And one of the students said this, they’re like, Jake, this sounds great. Are we actually going to do it? And part of me was like, heartbroken, because I’m like, Yes, of course we are. This is what we’re doing. The only way it doesn’t work, is if you don’t do it. But we have adults who care for you here. And we’re going to guide you along to do these things. And so the answer is, if you want it, yes, we’re doing it and we’re implementing your ideas. Like, my lips are shut. Now I did my presentation. Now it’s your time to talk. What do you want to do. And so we’re, we’re starting that here, which is, for me, it’s so rewarding. Because as you know, like, the speaking stuff is fun. The students love it. But they’re real gold. And the real change happens after when you build the group’s the peer led mentorship, the opportunities, and you can build something in your community. So I’m just so proud of everything you’re doing and what we get to be a part of. And it is this days, you kick yourself and say, I can’t do this as my job.

Now, and it was after your presentation in April, that got the middle school, coalition rolling and then wanting to be involved. So because before that, we didn’t have that. And so that was super huge. In really, you know, letting them know and see that. And so that’s, you know, like I said, always thankful for that. And, you know, getting the students hyped up for it. But I think that’s the biggest thing is just continuing to use them, but also continuing to use the administration and, and to see what that looks like so.

Yeah, yeah, I love that. I would love to do quickly, too, just to get a an idea. Because there’s a question around are people saying, hey, we want to do restorative programming. Maybe they don’t know how to pitch it. And you talked a little bit about that. And that they were, they were pretty much all for it? Because they said, hey, whatever we’re doing now isn’t working. So we’re open? What is it you are doing for restorative programming? You mentioned the two days, is there a certain content you’re using? Or how did you figure out what you’ll be doing.

So, I did some research. And so what I’m using is the in depth program from the long dot org. And so that’s what we’re using. And like I said, it is meant to do like four weeks, an hour, a day for four weeks. And it’s meant to be done in group or one on one, whatever that looks like. And so I knew there was another coalition that did this about an hour away. So I went and visited with them. What were your successes, what were your, you know, what did you have from this? Was it good. And I did some research on it. And it seemed to be really good for them. And you know, just that. And so I definitely would encourage, I know, I had great response back. But if you’re are wanting to implement something, do your research and make it to where it’s something that’s obtainable, not something that is very far fetched, and it just can’t happen or there’s not resources and in time with them with kind of a plan. And that’s kind of what I did. I, you know, I told him, I was like, okay, they think it’s an issue. This is what we can do. It’s been done here, here and here. And these other results. What if we could do this? And I think Ty were in on that conversation, when I presented it to them. And it was just but I think if I would have went in and was like, Well, you know, this may work. I don’t really know. But I did my research and did my homework before. And if you’re really wanting to do something like that, I would definitely highly suggest you kind of do your homework and and know what would be beneficial. There are several things out there for them to do. There’s one that they can do strictly online. But we thought it would be better if someone could sit with them and do it. We thought that would be better results for for our students. But someone else that’s just doing it online it that may be well for them. There are several options out there several free options. And so that’s kind of where we went with that. And like I said, I use the in depth, but there’s several out there and they’re free to use. And it was just I had to do a 30 minute training online. It wasn’t a big deal at all. So it gave me everything I needed so.

That’s great. I’m gonna check that out. Because there’s a lot of people asking, and it’s great to be able to give them hey, here are some options you can study up. That’s really good. And then Ty, are you, are you helping to implement the course for the different programs right now.

So when I follow up with them, that I think she passes it on maybe to either the principal or counselor. And I’ll even say this, it’s not, you know, it’s not just heard i It’s not just our suit, or not, you know, it. It’s, it is a collective effort. And I forgot to talk about this when we were talking about successes. This is just a story that I shared with you at the airport that I thought was kind of a huge deal. But day one, literally day one of school. You know, they’ve went all summer, they’ve been they’ve added in their pocket, since they, you know, maybe even before they’ve got out of school, we had somebody come in and their vape falls out of the pocket. And so they Yeah, I speed day one. And I immediately messaged Missy, and she says, Yeah, I’ve got time, I’ll be there tomorrow. Or maybe even that day, I think, actually, I’ll be there today at one o’clock, I believe, well, come to find out she’s homeless. And she’s not even on the record for being homeless. So with Misty being able to do what she does, she was able to get her a little bit more help. And then we were talking the other day about that situation and our middle school counselor, as segment ourself to really look in and help this help the student and make sure that they’ve got everything they need. Even gave him a Christmas gift, right? Oh, yeah, yeah, sorry, Secretary, counselor, Secretary. And so everybody’s bought it. It’s not just a few people. And I shouldn’t say most people are bought in. And as this thing grows, I think more and more people will buy it, that it’ll be 100%. School wide and it’s just like she said, with, when you have teachers and community members that really care, it makes it a lot easier. And to me that is just kind of can kind of test to what we’re dealing with and how giving some of the people that we have are, you may not think it at the beginning, but they just surprise you and are looking after all of our kids.

That is such a great story. And wow, what a testament to the simple thing of having a program like this. That’s an alternative to suspension, and the fact that you knew that she needed more help. Wow, praise God. That’s amazing. I love that so much. We’re getting close to time, how can people follow what you’re doing? If you have an Instagram handle or Facebook or anything like that, that we can cheer you on and stay in touch with what you’re doing? Yeah, how can people follow you?

So just on Facebook, which my daughter informed me the other day, if I really want to be big, I gotta get on Instagram, though. Hopefully I can figure that out, then. Hopefully, on her summer break, she can really get me going on the Instagram part of it. But right now, it’s just Facebook, and we’re the community against toxic substances. Or they can find me my personal Misty Russell, and then I’m able to show you where to go from there. But yeah, they can always reach out to me, it’s MistyRussellatRocmnd.org. they ever have any questions or they can get a hold of you and get a hold of me? That’s the biggest thing. And so some of the times I’ve been in some schools recently, and to show them how easy prevention is. And so I just send them the toilet tabloids. And they’re putting them up in their school. So I’m already doing the hard work. So what’s just an email sending and so we’ve been invited in August to go and speak at what is that? It’s a big kind of convention for a conference for all the superintendents, all that kind of stuff. To hire one thing people have to think on what prevention looks like in the schools and what that relationship looks like. And so we’ve even had our kids present at our board meetings to our school board members. So we’ve done that but we’ve even involved from like our custodians, you know, whether we give them a gift and tell them how much we appreciate him, you know, Thursday is SRO day. So I just presented the SRO with a big basket of stuff. And just to tell them, thank you, and it, those things go a long way, like just showing appreciation, and, and doing things like that so.

It is, it’s so good to hear just all this stuff that you’re doing. It warms my heart, and it makes me really hopeful for our work. Because there’s a lot of people that are lost, they don’t know what to do. And you’re like, you’re a good mentor in the space that can help, you know, we can follow in your footsteps implement the same things. And it really just comes down to a lot of times the work the hard work, but important work of building relationships, getting student involvement and input and just going for it spending the time to do it. Because even that small thing of appreciating people, yes, like, yeah, we want to be appreciated. But we don’t always think that we’re leaders. And if you’re listening to this, and you’re in a coalition, or you’re in a school, realize you are a leader. If there’s stuff happening in your town that you don’t like, we can also look in the mirror and say how can I be a part of the change, so that my community is a reflection of our values and what we do. So I just love the simple practical things you’re doing that they’re not easy, but they’re simple. And you’re taking the time to do them. And I think you’re seeing the results of that. Which is which is Awesome. 

Yeah, so absolutely. No, it’s, I leave with a smile on my face all the time. I love it. And, of course, I love what we get to do. And then I hear other stories how people don’t have as fortunate as having such good leadership and be loved by in. So but that’s one reason to bring in and have the athletic director here sitting with us today in our superintendent going in representing because the superintendents don’t really want to hear from me or what that looks like, because, but hearing from another athletic director or another superintendent on what that relationship with myself looks like and, and that type of thing and what it can be. And so I think those are just really huge two is just that they can see the print from their perspective on what that looks like so.

Yeah, that is so good. Well, I feel like for everyone listening, thank you so much for tuning in to another episode of the Party Talk Podcast. Honestly, I think you can listen to this for three or four different times and pick out some other ideas that just strike you or that we could use and Misty and Ty  thank you for the work that you’re doing and for being willing to spend some time just recapping with me and hopefully inspiring some other people in our field to follow in your footsteps. Thanks for sharing your info, all that good stuff too. So for everyone listening to the party talk podcast. We will see you next Monday for another episode.